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Post by fishfinatic on Feb 25, 2016 21:01:06 GMT -5
Welcome to the forum! You have a very nice selection of bettas! I myself never tried Wild bettas, maybe it is time for something a bit different. I looked up the species you have and they are just stunning! Thanks for the warm welcome! Wild bettas are definitely awesome fish to care for. I'd recommend any of these 3 bubblenesters: B.imbellis, B.mahachai, and B.smaragdina, to start you off. As for mouthbrooders: B.Albimarginata, B.channoides, or B.simplex. If you run into any problems or have any questions, I'd be more than happy to help
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Post by phish on Feb 25, 2016 21:22:55 GMT -5
If you get fry from a wild pair, are the fry still considered wild? Or would they now be just domesticated Canadian Bettas? lol
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Post by fishfinatic on Feb 25, 2016 21:32:33 GMT -5
If you get fry from a wild pair, are the fry still considered wild? Or would they now be just domesticated Canadian Bettas? lol If they're born in the aquaria, they'd be F1 tank/captive raised. F3 and after would be considered domesticated, in my opinion Knew of a guy who had order WC cichlids, and one of his females was holding. Turned out she released the fry during transport to his house. That had me thinking for bit.
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Post by phish on Feb 25, 2016 21:52:18 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up. I always read about "F1" Blue Ram Cichlids but never knew what they were referring to. Do you generally see behavioral changes from generation to generation? In other words, are wild Bettas less friendly than tank raised?
Also, which Betta species would you recommend to keep in pairs (the ones that get along best having male and female in the same tank)? I hate having a single Betta.
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Post by lesfromlakeshore on Feb 25, 2016 22:11:44 GMT -5
No matter how many generations F1 F2 etc. I believe they are still referred to as "wild type " Betta's.
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Post by guppyguy on Feb 25, 2016 23:05:32 GMT -5
Like Les mentioned the fry and future generations would be considered wild type as long as there was no selective breeding or cross breeding. This applies to any wild caught fish having offspring in captivity. For example I raise wild type endlers.
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Post by fishfinatic on Feb 25, 2016 23:10:56 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up. I always read about "F1" Blue Ram Cichlids but never knew what they were referring to. Do you generally see behavioral changes from generation to generation? In other words, are wild Bettas less friendly than tank raised? Also, which Betta species would you recommend to keep in pairs (the ones that get along best having male and female in the same tank)? I hate having a single Betta. In some cases and to a certain degree. With a F2 channoides brood I raised, they weren't as shy and recognized that when I approached the tank it was time to feed (they'd all come out of hiding and swim to the front of the tank. Some would follow me when I walked past the tank). There's quite a few species that actually do alright in pairs. B.imbellis is a good one start with. They seem to be more docile compared to the other wild bubblenesters I've kept, but temperament will differ with each individual fish. Imbellis are quite a beautiful species, especially when the male begins to peacock for the his female. As for mouthbrooders, albimarginata, channoides, and simplex. I've had the most success with these species. They displayed no aggression, no nipping, or chasing what so ever. It's important to note (with all wild bettas): keep a tight lid on your aquarium, and I mean REALLY TIGHT. Wilds are insane jumpers, and can slip through a crack as small as a 1/4" wide.
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Post by fishfinatic on Feb 25, 2016 23:12:21 GMT -5
No matter how many generations F1 F2 etc. I believe they are still referred to as "wild type " Betta's. Yeah, I see what you mean.
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Post by guppyguy on Feb 25, 2016 23:14:13 GMT -5
Thanks for clearing that up. I always read about "F1" Blue Ram Cichlids but never knew what they were referring to. Do you generally see behavioral changes from generation to generation? In other words, are wild Bettas less friendly than tank raised? Also, which Betta species would you recommend to keep in pairs (the ones that get along best having male and female in the same tank)? I hate having a single Betta. There's quite a few that actually do alright in pairs. B.imbellis is a good one start with. They seem to be more docile compared to the other wild bubblenesters I've kept, but temperament may differ with each individual fish. Imbellis are quite a beautiful species, especially when the male begins to peacock for the his female. As for mouthbrooders, alibimarginata, channoides, and simplex. I've had the most success with these species. They displayed no aggression, no nipping, or chasing what so ever. It's important to note (with all wild bettas): keep a tight lid on your aquarium, and I mean REALLY TIGHT. Wilds are insane jumpers, and can slip through a crack as small as a 1/4" wide. Nothing could be worse than coming home to find you prized fish on the floor. That is a great tip to making sure you lids are on secure when keeping these fish.
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Post by phish on Feb 25, 2016 23:51:22 GMT -5
There's quite a few that actually do alright in pairs. B.imbellis is a good one start with. They seem to be more docile compared to the other wild bubblenesters I've kept, but temperament may differ with each individual fish. Imbellis are quite a beautiful species, especially when the male begins to peacock for the his female. Can you recommend an online source where I can order a pair?
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Post by fishfinatic on Feb 26, 2016 0:19:25 GMT -5
There's quite a few that actually do alright in pairs. B.imbellis is a good one start with. They seem to be more docile compared to the other wild bubblenesters I've kept, but temperament may differ with each individual fish. Imbellis are quite a beautiful species, especially when the male begins to peacock for the his female. Can you recommend an online source where I can order a pair? Sure can, sent you a PM with a couple links. I believe the Canadian shipment date is tomorrow (02/27/2016), but if you need to setup a tank(s), no worries there's shipments every month.
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Post by gabor129 on Feb 26, 2016 6:22:08 GMT -5
Wow, this is great! I am learning a great deal! Thank you fishfinatic! Just out of curiosity, how many wild type Bettas have you kept over the years?
Also how does the tank setup, and conditions differ if you want to keep bubble nesters or mouth brooders?
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Post by fishfinatic on Feb 26, 2016 10:30:44 GMT -5
Wow, this is great! I am learning a great deal! Thank you fishfinatic! Just out of curiosity, how many wild type Bettas have you kept over the years? Also how does the tank setup, and conditions differ if you want to keep bubble nesters or mouth brooders? No problem, as happy to share what I know/learn Got into wilds starting 2011, kept 11 different species, and 38 individuals (not counting the broods I produced, and the wilds I'll be receiving at the end of this month). Bubble nesters live in warmer temps (mid 27s-28) compared to mouth brooders (26-lower 27s). Bubble nesters generally in habit calmer bodies water, where they can form their nests along the surface. Mouth brooders on the other hand come from bodies of water with some degree of current (streaams, rivers, or base of waterfalls). Wild bettas come from tannin rich waters, which is soft and acidic, but bettas can tolerate and slowly adjust any where from 5 PH-7.8 PH (most wilds range from 6.5 - 7.5). It's best to try and simulate their natural environment as close as possible, especially if they are wild caught. A lot of good information can be found directly on the International Betta Congress site: smp.ibcbettas.org/species/index.htmlDefinitely worth to read everything on the site.
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Post by gabor129 on Feb 26, 2016 17:58:05 GMT -5
Thank you for the information, and the link!
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Post by lesfromlakeshore on Feb 26, 2016 18:54:24 GMT -5
I was wondering if you know if there are many people in Ontario keeping wild Betta's . I think they are an under appreciated group of fish .
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